Richmond Proper: On Asking for a Date

With Valentine’s Day getting close, doubtless some of you are starting to sweat because you don’t have a date. Before the panic sets in, recognize these two facts: (1) you don’t *have* to get a date to enjoy Valentine’s Day — in theory it has just as much to do with freedom as it does with romantic love, and (2) asking someone out on a date is a simple and relatively painless procedure.

“All it takes is courage, self-confidence, and practice. While it’s true that whoever does the asking runs the risk of rejection, it’s also true that being too afraid to ask may cause you to miss out on many of life’s pleasures.”

— Nancy Tuckerman and Nancy Dunnan, The Amy Vanderbilt Complete Book of Etiquette

With Valentine’s Day getting ominously close, doubtless some of you are starting to sweat because you don’t have a date. Before the panic sets in, recognize these two facts: (1) you don’t have to get a date to enjoy Valentine’s Day — in theory it has just as much to do with freedom as it does with romantic love, and (2) asking someone out on a date is a simple and relatively painless procedure.

Fact #1 we won’t spend too much time on, because as much as I might forget it, this isn’t history class. But the truth is, this holiday doesn’t just belong to those in love. The origins of St. Valentine’s Day are in celebrating a saint martyred by Rome for trying to preserve his way of life in arenas possibly connected to romance, which is something we can all understand. So think of this day as the state of Virginia: it’s for lovers, but not exclusively.  Everybody else tends to enjoy the heck out of it, too. You can have a great time on Valentine’s Day without a date by organizing a hangout for fellow singletons complete with all the pink frosted confections you can manage to eat.

To arrive at Fact #2, we must deconstruct the stigma that surrounds asking for a date. Being our own worst critics, we think that a rejection means we’re unattractive, uninteresting, and unwanted. We blow these assumptions up until they are giants looming over us, preventing us from making date invitations. In reality, it is not that bleak. Remember that the world is not necessarily stocked full of other beings whose purpose is to scoff at you, and that it may actually be full of people trying humbly to make their way in the world, too. If you ask someone out there’s a good chance that he might say no, but even if he does, what have you lost? All that this person has done is say that he does not wish to accompany you to such-and-such a place at such-and-such a time. He is not decreeing that you be banished from society. And of course, if you ask someone out there is also a good chance that she might say yes. Which brings us to some things we should remember in order to — we hope! — make this happen.

  • Don’t wait until the last minute. In all the teen movies, by the time the guy has mustered up enough courage to ask the girl to prom, she’s already got a date. It turns out her schedule isn’t as wide-open as he would like to think it is. Don’t let this happen to you! As Peggy Post says, “It’s courteous to extend invitations as far in advance as possible. A day or two ahead is okay for casual dates, but be aware that last-minute invitations may be perceived as insults.”
  • Choose your venue wisely. Though in-person is the agreed-upon standard, don’t rule out other methods of getting in touch. If your love is always on the go and on the phone, you may have to call him just to make sure you’ll reach him. And if the girl you adore is a tech maven, it might be a good idea to send her a quick IM or email instead of waiting for that perfect moment to pop up IRL.
  • Don’t use some contrived pick-up line. “Pickups, to seem respectable, must be contrived to seem accidental,” says Judith Martin. The perfect way to alienate a stranger is to use some cheesy pick-up line to get her attention. Rather than making her feel special, a boilerplate, pre-conceived speech can make her feel like a faceless item on an assembly line stretching into infinity. If the object of your affection is someone you don’t know but would like to know, find a better way to start a conversation.  “Hello, I’m ___. Can I buy you a drink?” is a good start compared to the cringe-worthy “Come here often?”
  • Be direct. If you wait until the end of a conversation to ask someone out, you’ll probably end up talking yourself out of it, or worse, seem like you’re reluctant to spit the question out. “The best way for a man or woman to ask someone out is with a clear plan in mind. Present it up-front,” says Judith Martin.
  • Be specific. “Flabby, half-hearted, indecisive invitations should never be issued,” says Judith Martin, and she suggests an equally vague response: “Reply to ‘Do you want to do something sometime?’ by saying sweetly, ‘In theory.'” Everybody knows that when two people agree to “hang out sometime,” it barely ever happens. To get the date-asking process started, make specific plans for a specific time and place. If other suggestions are made, you can still be flexible of course.
  • Know when to give up and when not to give up. Peggy Post advises, “Be attuned to the person’s attitude and tone. An astute observer of social cues often gets a sense of whether the person would like another opportunity to go out; if you sense real interest, try again later.” It might be the case that he’s just busy this Friday night, but would really like to hang out with you on Saturday instead. Or he might never want to hang out, and you should get the hint and stop asking. Learn how to tell the difference.

I’m sure we have plenty of readers who have more experience than I do with asking people out. Please comment if you have some tried-and-true suggestions to offer up to the greater good!

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Tess Shebaylo

Tess Shebaylo is a freelance writer, crafter, history geek, and compulsive organizer. She works at Tumblr and lives in Church Hill with her daughter, Morella.

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  1. Brando on said:

    “Hello, I’m ___. Can I buy you a drink?”

    Since when has this been considered a good idea? Most girls will a) be in a group and 2) take the free drink and run.

    Not only that but approaching with that line is like asking if you can buy your way into their panties.

    And you have to wonder about the dateability of someone who won’t talk to you unless you buy them something. Is that really the kind of person you want to be hanging around?

    Buying drinks for people you don’t know? Eff that.

  2. I think that’s just one suggestion to begin with, and I would LOVE to hear more suggestions for good conversation starters! Thanks for your help!

  3. Brando, you buy a girl a drink to facilitate a nice conversation together when you meet, the same way you’d buy her dinner when you take her on a date. If she doesn’t want to talk she should refuse your offer. But for some reason nobody understands this custom, so yeah, she’ll probably just walk off with the drink and give it to her greasy boyfriend.

  4. Every time (OK like twice) that some dude has asked to buy me a drink, I have exploded with happiness, and one time I dated the dude for awhile. Maybe you are creeping up behind them and breathing it into the back of their neck?

  5. Brando on said:

    @Susan: Perhaps.

    If you’ve ever noticed how girls talk about things, unwanted/unexpected attention from a hot guy is great! How cute! How daring of he to approach you!

    But if that same guy was not hot, unwanted/unexpected attention from him is annoying. What a creepster! How dare he try and talk to me.

    Since I am unattractive that makes me creepy by default.

  6. Oh I should have mentioned that this column is written only for “hot guys.” How thoughtless of me.

    Thank you, Karl and Susan, for your constructive input. BTW Karl…your response made me think that soon I should write a Richmond Proper installment titled On How to [Gracefully] Refuse a Date. Since, you know, that IS an option.

  7. I think a trade should be offered up front. “I’ll buy you a drink if you go out with me.” Seems fair.

  8. jonesy on said:

    Hello hot and single men! I have a coupon for a buy one meal, get a meal free, at Texas de Brazil…who wants to take me?!

  9. I didn’t know RVAnews had a dating service. Sounds like a steal for someone!

    RVAnews.com/date

  10. Good idea, jonesy. Half off coupons are a win-win situation.

    Wolf, you totally got me with that one. But seriously Catrows, let’s get this RVANews.com dating service off the ground!

  11. Julie on said:

    Confidence. If you are prepared to smile and look people in the eye, you will practically always get farther with them regardless of how you open the conversation. I’ve found that the more I appreciate myself the more others drift my way, the harder I try and the more fear of rejection I have, the more I put others off. Neediness is never attractive. I think our odds are usually better at events/activities we really love, because we’re already projecting happiness & there is intellectual common ground and things to talk about.

    Guys: One fact I know, as an intuitive female, is that women actually put effort into giving an OBSERVANT person opportunities to start conversations. We wear things that are designed to be commented on. Look for the most noticeable or unusual article of clothing, hairstyle, accessory, tattoo, whatever that she’s sporting and say something about it. The important thing is that you are speaking to her…then you watch her cues to see if she looks engaged/interested or looking for escape. If she looks at you and her pupils get big, you’re totally in! If she doesn’t smile, or makes a point of looking or talking to anyone but you…back off or be “the creepster.” If you’re not her type, you’re not her type. But rest assured that you are someone’s type and keep trying!

  12. Julie — this is exactly the type of nitty-gritty I’m looking for…the specifics of this science and what makes someone seem desirable. I agree that being observant is a major plus. It’s what makes the difference between feeling specifically sought after and just being one of 27 pretty faces in a crowd.

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