Virginia Flagger counter protest
Scheduled for every Saturday, from 12 to 4:00 PM.
Active-RVA which was created to “provide information on political and community events in and around Richmond, Virginia” posted the image above and information about the grassroots counter to the Virginia Flaggers. You can get the full story about the Virginia Flaggers here.
Every Saturday, from 12-4pm, outside of the Virginia Museum of Fine Art (200 North Boulevard, Richmond VA), across from the Virginia Flaggers demonstration, there will be an anti-Confederate Rap Battle. Demonstrators will hold signs, have fun, and play loud rap music. From creator Goad: “bring whatever you think is appropriate.”
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can someone please take a “God Hates Flags” sign.
ahh! I want to do this!
Good! I may have to join the counter protest. The “flaggers'” whole premise is unfounded and ridiculous. “Flaggers” say they want to “restore” the Confederate battle flags to the exterior of the old Confederate Chapel. Guys… nice try… but this has been thoroughly researched and that flag of battle NEVER hung on that chapel. Not even when the actual Confederate veterans were living next door and worshipping at that chapel. Only during a brief stint, starting in 1993, when the Sons of Confederate Veterans began leasing the chapel and were responsible for chapel upkeep did the flags start flying there. I live a block from the VMFA and see these people out there regularly. I can’t help but wonder all the good that might have been done if those hours had been volunteered for something productive in our community through HandsOn Greater Richmond or something. Read here and understand that these people are fighting an ill-conceived, losing battle. Again. http://virginiamuseum.blogspot.com/2011/11/vmfa-and-confederate-history.html
Please show up.. Every time you do we get more money in donations! THanks again!
Hahahahahaaaaa I will!
Douchebags protesting douchebags. I’m glad my parents paid enough attention to me that I don’t feel compelled to stand around begging for attention in the street.
The point of raising The Battle Flag is to honor Virginians that died in battle during the Civil War! No matter how much you people want to make it about slavery it is not.
Ms. Martin sounds much more like a VMFA employee than a resident. She is spouting the talking points the Museum uses to cover up the fact that they removed the flags for no other reason than the fact that they have no respect for our Confederate Veterans.
Unlike those here making judgements without facts, I have spoken with the Flaggers and after doing research on my own, believe their cause is just.. and the fact is that they enjoy the support of the majority of the residents in the area.
The talking points Ms. Martin references have been thoroughly debunked:
VMFA: “Archival documents show that no flags were flown on the Chapel in the late 1800’s. An illustration published in the Richmond Dispatch in 1896 that depicts the Camp shows only one flag being flown on the property, the U.S. Flag”
Va Flaggers: There are many photographs showing the Soldiers raising and lowering a Confederate Battle Flag on the grounds of the Old Soldier’s home, and many others of the Confederate Battle Flag flying. To choose a single sketch drawing, where the artist may/may not have taken artistic liberties, from a single day in time and claim that the decision was based on that information is obviously grasping at straws.
History is made at a moment in time. Tradition is made over a continuation of time. The Chapel does have a historical tradition of flying two Confederate Battle Flags, from 1993 – 2010. Added to that 17 year period is the time from 1884-1941 when the soldiers themselves flew a 10×10 Confederate Battle Flag from the Lee Camp pole for 57 years, making a grand total of 74 years in which the Confederate Battle Flag has had a presence in Confederate Memorial Park.
http://vaflaggers.blogspot.com/2013/09/vmfa-talking-points-debunked-myth-1.html
I can’t say for sure, but I can only imagine that a group of ill-mannered people, blasting offensive rap music in a manner that will disturb residents and visitors, only serves to help the Flaggers’ cause. Calling someone a “racist”, while blaring music that repeats the “N” word over and over seems a bit, well…only in America.
God bless the Va Flaggers. Y’all stand tall and keep the faith!
I don’t really get their point. They can be proud of their heritage if they feel it is hip hop I suppose however, how far does hip hop really date back? Can it really be called a heritage? I don’t think the VA Flaggers opposes them or anyone’s heritage in the first place so I just don’t understand their point. The flaggers are all about protecting our heritage. Never once have I seen them oppose anyone else’s heritage. The VA Flaggers have never protested the rights of anyone to honor their heritage, never protested that someone’s rights to honor their heritage be taken away and has never protested someone else’s demonstration of their heritage.
I’m sure donations to the Flaggers will triple. Thanks for the extra attention! I may have to rally some NC flaggers and come join in with the Virginia troops!
It’s our (SCV) right to honor our ancestors and our Southern heritage! Over 150 yrs ago our ancestors were invaded by a country who’s President was a tyrant. Not only was Mr. Lincoln responsible for the deaths of 630,000 but also for years of rape, murder and theft of the Southern people.
Our ancestors, we’re told were traitors and terrorist. Schools and people like yourselves teach our kids lies about our history to suit yourselves.
It’s NEVER been our purpose to deny the rights of others…so don’t do it to us! It’s our heritage not yours! You’ll never take that from us!!!
Deo Vindice!
Public memory reflects the deliberately-created deficiencies of compulsory miseducation. It’s not by accident that many myths about slavery and the Civil War persist and some people continue to emotionally invest in falsifications of the past. But we have to recognize and address these distortions if we’re going to ever realize, defend, expand, and enjoy human freedom. Indeed, confusion about “the past” is an obstacle to self-understanding. False boasting about one’s “heritage” is an exercise in self-deception. There’s no honor in that. Rather than playing dress up, or wrapping oneself in illusions, have the courage to refute the propaganda and replace it with clarity and a renewed commitment to justice.
Some recommended articles:
Slavery and the origins of the Civil War
http://isreview.org/issue/78/slavery-and-origins-civil-war
Black Reconstruction: An Introduction by Eric Foner
http://www.ericfoner.com/articles/2013SAQ.html
Black Reconstruction in America 1860–1880
http://www.isreview.org/issues/57/feat-reconstruction.shtml
How Slavery Was Ended
http://socialistworker.org/2008/02/15/how-slavery-was-ended
Series: Socialism and Black Liberation
http://socialistworker.org/series/Socialism-and-Black-liberation
Slavery and the origins of racism
http://www.isreview.org/issues/26/roots_of_racism.shtml
The New View Of Reconstruction
http://www.littlejohnexplorers.com/reconstruction/fonerreconstruction.pdf
“The Propaganda Of History” (Chapter XVII of Dubois’ Reconstruction (1935))
http://www.socialism.com/drupal-6.8/sites/all/pdf/class/Du%20Bois-Black%20Reconstruction%20in%20America.PDF
A few more links:
Who Really Freed The Slaves?
http://socialistworker.org/2012/04/13/who-really-freed-the-slaves
Slavery And The Civil War
http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/24/slavery-and-the-civil-war
Lincoln And Slavery
http://socialistworker.org/2009/02/12/lincoln-and-the-struggle-to-abolish-slavery
The Rise And Fall Of New World Slavery
http://isreview.org/issue/79/rise-and-fall-new-world-slavery
Whenever some moron tries to say the Civil War wasn’t about slavery, I point his or her, almost always a his, ignorant snout at a few of the actual Declarations of Secession.
http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html
The confederate flag is and will always be inextricably associated with the abhorrent sin that is slavery. And for the flaggers to PRETEND that this is not the case makes them shameless, detestable bigots. Its not a heritage worth celebrating.
I sure didn’t know Westboro Baptist Church had a hippity hop heritage.
Those who decry the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of racism, hatred, or bigotry are at best ill-informed, and at worst malicious. The Confederate flag is often held as a symbol of freedom across the globe except here in the politically correct US; where it is often regarded as a symbol of slavery, racism and oppression by the historically ignorant and those who profit from an agenda of keeping it so.
http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html
Declaration of Secession reposted for emphasis. From the mouths of those who were there…
You claim, “Those who decry the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of racism, hatred, or bigotry are at best ill-informed, and at worst malicious. The Confederate flag is often held as a symbol of freedom across the globe except here in the politically correct US; where it is often regarded as a symbol of slavery, racism and oppression by the historically ignorant and those who profit from an agenda of keeping it so.”
Really? Where and by whom? A symbol of freedom for WHOM? Wouldn’t such people, if they exist at all, illustrate the banalization of freedom by their fraudulent, vehement disavowals? And wouldn’t their impotent protestations reveal their incomprehension of the world and economics–who has labored, and who works and under what conditions, who really produces wealth, and who appropriates this wealth and by what means?
Why is it important psychologically for neo-Confederates, victims of misinformation, to remain unaware that they’ve been duped? Why haven’t they given much thought about why the tenacious adherence to such positions are not just dishonest, or inaccurate, or offensive, but harmful to the majority of the advocates? Class warfare remains a reality and chances are you’re not in the topmost fractions of the 1%. So why hold on to and disseminate their myths?
Why live in a fantasy? Why cling to make-believe re-inventions of the past and delusions of the present? Why not seek to understand the role and development of a barbaric system in the founding of the United States, a system which contradicted many of the beautiful ideals and words of the Enlightenment?
Don’t evade reality, history, or complexity.
Slavery And Freedom: The American Paradox by Edmund Morgan (author of “American Slavery, American Freedom”):
http://www.humanities.uci.edu/history/ucihp/tah/UnderstandingAmericanCitizenship/American%20Paradox.pdf
Two pieces by Barbara Fields
Ideology and Race in American History
http://history.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/slides/ideology.pdf
Slavery, Race and Ideology in the United States of America
http://english.illinoisstate.edu/strickland/rsvtxt/fields.html
Instead of reflagging the VMFA and doing all this arguing about it, why not do something that gives a little something to everyone? The Sons of the Confederacy need to support the slavery museum and memorial, because there will be Confederate flags flying there, because it is entirely appropriate to the context. The war was fought to ensure the property rights and privilege of the slave-holding class, so of course a Confederate role should be prominent.
@ Sean S and hocabsurdumst:
You do know the reasons the Cotton 7 seceded and the reasons the South tooks arms against the invading North have pretty much almost nothing to do with each other. The Souths reasons for seceding, yes, had a lot to do with slavery. But the reasons they went to war is entirely different. Look up the Corwin Amendment, your savior Lincoln’s garauntee that if the South rejoins the Union slavery would NEVER EVER be abolished, yet the South refused the offer. Or what about after the North decided to invade the South that is when Virginia, Tennessee, etc. decided to join the Confederacy.. Why? Because their homelands were being invaded. The Confederate Battle Flag was created as a soldiers flag, to tell the difference between the North’s flag and their owns. The Confederate battle flag represents each soldiers that left their homes,wives, and families to defend their homelands against what they saw an invading army. That’s what the flag means. Not slavery. Do some research and stop making fools out of yourselves.
Sec. 18-2. Creating loud, disturbing, etc., noise prohibited; violations and penalties.
(a) It shall be unlawful to create or assist in creating any unreasonably loud and disturbing noise in the City, and noise of such character, intensity and duration as to be detrimental to the life or health of any person or to unreasonably disturb the quiet, comfort or repose of any person is hereby prohibited.
(b) Any person who violates any provision of this section shall be deemed to be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.
(c) Each day of violation of any provision of this section shall constitute a separate offense.
(d) The person operating or controlling a sound source shall be guilty of any violation caused by that source. If that cannot be determined, any owner, tenant or resident physically present on the property where the violation is occurring is rebuttably presumed to be guilty of the violation.
(Code 1985, § 19-2; Ord. No. 90-254-238, § 1, 7-23-90; Ord. No. 2000-402-2001-14, § 1, 1-8-01)